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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 1, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Let me reveal who cliff hucker is... The guy who claims to "fight his fight's under his name"
Some data about Cliff Hucker.
He also uses the handle "Masons Owner", amongst others, I believe this is clever also because he has a pet named "Mason". Masons Owner, as many of you probably don't know, was a serious troll at www.lostsailorpub.forumup.it

How do I know it was Cliff? I mean, Dennis Gore? Cross references and a little help from some friends.
1) Dennis signed up for our 1984 petition for Rhino. He wrote: "12. dennis gore Please do not consider any shows performed after 1977 for official release"
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dogstarz&;1
But, there is more...
2) http://www.dead.net/member/masons-owner (note: Dennis Gore)
And yet more...
3) http://www.facebook.com/dennis.gore?v=wall (you can see some pictures of cliff dennis gore hucker here, and if you have seen his pictures here at the LMA, there is no longer any doubt who he is)

Names and IPs used at the Lost Sailor Pub:
1) Masons Owner (changed by kochman to "Masons Owner the Troll": http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&;u=189&mforum=lostsailorpub
*A list of 20 posts at Lost Sailor Pub under Masons Owner
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/search.php?search_author=Masons+Owner+the+Troll&;mforum=lostsailorpub
*IPs as Masons Owner, all of which were "Verizon NYC Wireless"
96.224.67.175
96.224.66.68
96.224.66.124
96.224.64.94
96.224.68.31
96.224.69.204
71.167.61.87
*Threats received in my PMs from "Masons Owner" -
"Stop it now or I will fuck you up beyond belief"

2) Trouble You Asked For
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&;u=204&mforum=lostsailorpub
*3 Posts from this address
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/search.php?search_author=Trouble+you+asked+for(Mao&mforum=lostsailorpub
*IP Addresses from this user name:
71.167.71.194
71.167.71.128

3) Chinacat
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&;u=351&mforum=lostsailorpub
*Only post was deleted, therefore the IP was lost

4) Sainted Stephen
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&;u=364&mforum=lostsailorpub
*3 Posts from this username (note, he tried to play nice, but then didn't, the offending posts were deleted)
http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/search.php?search_author=Sainted+Stephen&;mforum=lostsailorpub
*IP addresses from this username
71.167.61.64

Dennis Gore, would you like me to expose more info about you on the internet? To other places?
Or are you going to back off now? I would like a public answer.
I promise, if Dennis stops, I stop. All I want is for me, the LSP, and its members to no longer be harassed by this guy. Then I stop. Then I stop... its easy.

This post was modified by kochman on 2010-01-01 17:01:37

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Dec 30, 2009 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?


You know kochman, as a lurker and sometime poster at LSP, I feel like taking time to have my say. Seems like you may well be obsessed with with Cliffs times spent there, lurking or otherwise.

I really have to wonder what deeply ingrained insecurity causes you to call out a lurker? How foolish is that? Sure, you and Cliff may not see eye to eye, but if all he does is lurk, whats the problem?

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Poster: kochman Date: Dec 30, 2009 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Dude, if all he did was lurk, it would be no problem at all...
There are many lurkers, I could care less if someone lurks...

My problem are all these posts...
I post here like, what, once every few months generally?

Here are posts about me, the Lost Sailor Pub site, or skobud, from cliff... and this is not all of them, just the ones that were easy to find.

Koch/Kochman
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=279963
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=279091
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=279662
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278172
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278277
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278249
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277766
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277065
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=233044
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=233019
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231374
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231319
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=246673
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231419
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=137421

And the first attack, where kochman was accused of being the infamous “smil2es” by Cliff Hucker, way back in 2007… because I… gasp… posted some polls!
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=137456


LSP
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=279662
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278790
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278249
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277766
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277065
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=276594
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=259753
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=258166
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=246673
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=235250
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231423
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=225172
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231419


Skobud
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278277
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=278249
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277766
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=231423
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=255558
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=255898
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277106
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=277908


So, I repeat my call for Cliff Hucker to back off.
I am only asking him once, and I want him to publicly say that he is going to leave the LSP and myself alone. When I post here, its generally just to let new lurkers know about the LSP.

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Dec 30, 2009 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Tell ya what kochman, I do appreciate what you are saying. I have read some of the posts, in fact, in real time. I guess my thing is that far as I know Cliff has not posted anything derogatory at LSP. Correct me if I am wrong please. Sure, I don't care to see him bashing you or LSP here, but I ignore it. I enjoy both sites. Life is way too short to be so stressed by some drivel posted on the net.

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Poster: kochman Date: Dec 31, 2009 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Yes, cliff has done derogatory things at LSP... many... I can go into detail, but if he just states he will lay off, I will let it go...

EDIT: as you know, he decided to push the envelope... so, see the edited first post for his BS at the LSP.

Dennis Gore, I am telling you, if you stop, I will stop...

This post was modified by kochman on 2009-12-31 18:48:07

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Dec 30, 2009 9:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Now i don't know any of you folks having only really posted here once or twice, but Kochman i really don't see why what some guy you don't know posts about on the internet matters to you. Anyone who takes his criticisms of you seriously is a fool who can't draw a line between what's real and what's virtual. Lay off him and he'll probably lose interest and if he doesn't than he's an ass... which any rational person will see. Likewise if you continue to get upset over it, then you are the ass, no? which again... any rational person will see.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 30, 2009 10:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Rational! Why would rational person post here on this forum...?

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Dec 30, 2009 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I remember one lurking story that I would like to share before this year ends. Cliff you may like this ass well.

I was at a Yankees vs Baltimore game after having a big blow out with my girlfriend at the time named WANDA.

I was standing urinating and as I lurked over at the rasta standing next to me I noticed he had WANDA tattooed to his dick. That bitch already had me pissed, so I asked the rastaman if he knew that slut named WANDA. He answered "NO", it sez "WELCOME TO JAMACIA HAVE A NICE DAY".

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 2, 2010 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

WANDA?? i just checked...whew!

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 2, 2010 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

sure rasta, more like "wewe" or "wee"

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 2, 2010 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

so YOU were the one upstairs at the end bathroom...peering 'n peen ;(

Gotta tell you, that was the BEST Jack Straw I've heard. the Furthur Band is by far, the BEST GD incarnation, post-Jerry, I've heard so far.

a steller, 5-Star show!

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 2, 2010 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

SS,JS... funny rasta, I saw Jerry as Reincarnated Hindu Elephant Royalty.... post Morten dead

fat_baby.jpg

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 30, 2009 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Hey Now !

(((((((((((Group Hug))))))))))

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Dec 31, 2009 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

oh and Happy New Year to you both(seriously)

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 30, 2009 9:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

As LSP lurker I have to say... that background image really makes it difficult to read the posts, especially the longer ones.

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Poster: kochman Date: Dec 31, 2009 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

If you use firefox and have adblock plus, you can right click on the background and block that image as well.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 31, 2009 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Can't you just design the website to not be unreadable?

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Poster: kochman Date: Dec 31, 2009 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I have only heard this complaint from one other person, and there are like 700 members... post something there about it, if people join with what you are saying, I will change it...

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jan 1, 2010 12:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I think that was me.
And I design and upkeep websites as part of my job, so I kind of know what I'm talking about.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 1, 2010 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Yes Miss Divine, you are talking about your personal preference or issues, no need to give your credentials to voice an opinion. And of course, credentials don't make your opinion "correct".
Anyhow, as I said... if more people dislike it, it can be changed.

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Poster: Miss Divine Date: Jan 1, 2010 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I always find it best to give my professional credentials when I comment on something that falls within my boundaries of interest.
And I will now refrain from saying anything about your site again.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 1, 2010 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Fair enough, it still boils down to personal preference. Most people there seem to have no problem with it, sorry that you do.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 1, 2010 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

There is a bit of a problem with the owner breaking of the registration agreement for that website. Your word is your bond.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 2, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

or with childish hate and anger one can spam personal email addresses with vile crap..I wonder if there are stats on when internet feuds actually turned to real violence? (other than bashing the PC-haha)

who here would want to be on the same fishin boat with Koch and Cliff? huh?? and who would return? mmmmmmm?

(hey, i'm working on a reality show, one scenario with medical M, one without)

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 1, 2010 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

sue me

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jan 1, 2010 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

> Poster: kochman
> Date: January 01, 2010 08:51:39pm
> sue me

A cautionary phrase to prospective members...

I do like the 80's, but why bother with a website guided by that ethic?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jan 2, 2010 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

been thinking, the measure of a forum is not how far an individual has to go before a forum will violate their own privacy policies, but rather, how far a forum will go to protect an individuals privacy
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9938603-7.html



"Sue me"
"A cautionary phrase to prospective members..."

indeed!

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2010-01-03 03:33:37

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 3, 2010 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

Yep; this was what I was blathering on the other day...Kman really has put himself in a position of responsibility, and violated that trust in a big way.

He imagines that CLIFF is running his place down, and perhaps he is, BUT he has done more damage to his site and prospective members than CLIFF ever could have done on his own.

Just note the many very mild mannered sorts here (not me, CLIFF, Rob, etc., but REALLY mild mannered sorts) that clearly are now completely turned off to the notion of showing up there (based on their comments posted here the past few days).

Sad really.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 3, 2010 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

I have to agree with you here, Tell. If there's been a recent example of someone being more comprehensively hoist with his own petard than Kochman with his 'sue me' post I'd love to see it. He deserves to be laughed out of the forum next time he shows his face. In fact, I'd love to see one of the cross-posters copy and paste his derisory 'outing' of Cliff and the 'sue me' remark on to Lost Sailors - but of course 'King' Kochman would doubtless just edit it out.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 3, 2010 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

bummer, guys who have known about the LSP for years and haven't joined have found another reason not to join.
good for you guys!
I think the weed is making you guys a bit paranoid though...

anyhow, ciao...

I will be back in several months, I am done here for now

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 3, 2010 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

Promise?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 3, 2010 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: LMA and your personal info

Amen

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 2, 2010 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

point!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 1, 2010 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Quite an interesting little interaction. Telling but not Tell!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 1, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

You rang? Or did I miss something there? You know, Larry, you are going to move up into the upper eschelon of "Forum Poster, Senior Grade" what with all these quality contributions of late...good stuff!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 31, 2009 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Is that a triple negative?

;)

Happy New Year Clashcity

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Dec 31, 2009 7:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Get this neat readability program to add to your toolbar:

http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/

It removes those annoying background images and presents the text as book or newspaper style.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 31, 2009 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

who'll end up on top? 72 vs 82: this time it's personal!

Attachment: kochman_vs_cliff.jpg

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 3, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Cliff picks and chooses whom he likes and then either ignores or (in my case) attacks the latter under psuedonyms. I had an annoying go of it some time ago. It's a shame that there are two Cliffs. The one is a remarkably insightful and knowledgeable Deadhead whose posts I enjoy. The other is an insecure prick who is intolerant of anyone who steps on or near his foot regardless of intent. It's always a shame to me when the intelligent ones lower themselves by behaving the way Cliff does.

Kochman on the other hand: you run a piddlywink little GD site that doesn't see much traffic and that really exists because you don't get along with folks here. I suspect that is as much you as anyone else. Bringing your Cream Puff War to these pages simply exposes the toadiness that led you to leave in the first place. Posting Cliff's i.p. addresses serves only to underscore your own pathetic need for attention. Why not actually post something about the GD rather than about yourself?

Sure, Cliff should shut his fucking mouth--we could all do some of that--and stick to what he does best--champion 1968 and keep pointing folks to some of the best damn music ever played. And Kochman--stick to your little corner on the internet where you can be king. I'm afraid that here you are just another annoyance.

And I'd conduct a poll about that background before pissing on s/he who would criticize it. You do not speak for everyone, even in your own kingdom.

This post was modified by ghostofpig on 2010-01-03 16:07:28

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 3, 2010 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

HEY GoP, what was Gina's last name again ?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 3, 2010 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

"Cliff picks and chooses whom he likes and then either ignores or (in my case) attacks the latter under psuedonyms'."

I'm sorry GOP, I'm not looking to rikindle any hostilties with you, Ive long since buried the hatchet with you.

Of course any trouble we have the had in the past had to be entirely my fault, its inconcievable that you could have possibly had any part in contributing to it.

You are wrong about one thing though. I have never once posted at this forum under any other user name, not once ever. But I know that you cannot say the same. How many user names have you gone through here, by the way, orchidcosmicuncle...

Not sure why you feel you have to drag all this ancient history up now, but peace to you anyway!

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 3, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Nothing would please me more than to bury the hatchet with you and discuss the 60s Dead.

I do think you should let Kotchman go. He isn't worth it. Now, about that 12-29 show . . . .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 3, 2010 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Hey! I thought I WAS personally responsible for that show?! Well, okay...CLIFF gave me "approval" and I willingly took the job on!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jan 4, 2010 12:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I don't know anything about Cliff attacking people under another name. To me that sounds like a "Nature Channel" documentary called "When Cliff Attacks" or something. I like reading his insightful posts here about great shows (because we have similar tastes)... plus he always seems so friendly, inviting people to come fish with him and all.. I'm just saying...

kochman on the other hand seems to live to hassle with people and call them names for no other reason than that they disagree with him. Here is a pleasant exchange myself, and others, had with him a few months ago.

Could he in fact be Dick Cheney?

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=241348

And BTW, posting someones name and street address here (before he later modified it) is fucked up!

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2010-01-04 08:48:26

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2010 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

Koch has some issues, it might be Gulf War Syndrome, but I suspect that he is dealing with more than that right now. He has done alot more than just broadcast my IP addresses, post my personal information and link to my facebook page.

Over the weekend I received several harassing phone calls from him, a barrage of spam from gay porno/dating sites that he registered me at, and he has posted an interesting thread about me at his website where a google arial photo of my Florida residence has been posted. This all in spite of the the webmasters statement at LSP that "this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent" so much for Kochmans word of honor. Just a word of warning to those who register at his site!

I was forced to contact the Tampa police and file a complaint with a detective there. If any of you are having similar problems with Koch, or suasponte (one of the other user names he goes by here), I can provide you with the telephone and case numbers. I would certainly advise anyone considering registering at his website to think twice before doing so!

The truth is that I have posted a few times at his site, but it has been nearly a year since I have participated there. Around last January/February he started spamming the LMA forum with invitations to his site and getting into nasty political arguements with folks here and trolling this place up. At that time I posted some goofy stuff over there. I never really attacked anyone there, never PM'd anyone, I didnt post anything terribly hostile, malevolent, or even particularly disruptive. Mostly I commented in threads on music or shows in Italian (I used to live in Italy), or inquired why there were advertisements for gay sites at his forum. I have not posted at LSP in nearly a year, I'm not sure what it is Koch wants me to stop doing over there.

One time though, I did cause a rather large disturbance there, by asking a very naughty question. It caused quite an uproar there at the time, but I never got an answer to my question. So I am going to ask the same question again here now:

Which fruit do you think more closely resembles a lubricated vagina, a juicy Mango, or a ripe Crenshaw Melon in September?

I suspect Kochman is dealing with some personal problems right now. I feel sorry for him that he is so disturbed that he felt compelled to take the actions that he recently has. Lets hope he gets the help he needs, there are resources out there that provide help for veterans like him.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 4, 2010 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

I'd rather tango with the Mango.

If I was wrong about you two years ago, I apologize.
I would welcome the chance to engage you in intelligent conversation, even if you did go to the 'dale. (Post smiley of your choice here).

Kochman: simply put, you're behavior is over the top.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 4, 2010 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

I wasnt the washed up NFL quarterback guy (I hate football), or anyone else for that matter, but I apologize too!


smiley face Pictures, Images and Photos

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2010-01-04 15:03:24

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 4, 2010 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

Cliff:

It cheers me greatly that we can be friends. I am glad that this did not occur before my 40th H.M. reunion in October or they would no doubt have kicked me out for fraternizing with a Riverdalean. (40 fucking years. Jeezus).

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jan 4, 2010 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

"Washed up quaterback...."

That would be Tom Brady.

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 5, 2010 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

nope

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 4, 2010 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

Cliff:
I'd go with the juicy Mango, then maybe Bessie, but only if she's at least 18 in bovine years to human years conversion.
The wolf is married and Bessie's anguish is real.

not sure about the mango

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 4, 2010 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

YUMMMMMM, Mango

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Poster: mcglone Date: Jan 5, 2010 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

hi cliff,

posting personal information is bush at best. kochman was way out of line. but, here is a link that has you doing the exact same thing...

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=119425

another thing i don't understand is how kochman is being called out for spamming the forum by offering a link to his grateful dead based website and it's ok for you to drum-up pub for your charter business.

for what it's worth i have never once paid a visit to LSP or 'the hook' - LMA is home. i'm not taking sides, i think both of you guys came off looking bad (as we all do time to time)just noting the hypocricy.

ian




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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 5, 2010 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

Hi Ian,

For one thing, I dont have a charter business, Im a commercial fisherman. I'm not drumming up business for anything! When I post fishing photos I'm just tooting my horn. Would you like to come fishing next summer?

For another, the link in that old post was not related in any way to anyone who has ever participated at this forum.

Finally, I have not posted at Kochmans site since last February! He seems determined to perpetuate all this bullshit...

Dennis

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 5, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

More lies from "masons owner"...
And, I "perpetuate" this? I have asked you how many times to have peace? Several, for all to see...
Yet you keep on posting about me, telling lies about me, etc...

You were just again proven to be a liar, by someone completely different, and somehow you circle back around and attack me AGAIN...

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Poster: mcglone Date: Jan 5, 2010 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

thank you very much for your offer dennis! very kind. i have never fished open saltwater but would love to give it a try one day. i'll definitely file that away. if you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods (and you're at home in a canoe) i'd be happy to introduce you to some very serene central ontario lakes - well off the beaten path. big home made muddler minnow/popper cross flies, shallow water and tarpon like pike!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 5, 2010 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

There is a town in north Ontario,
With dream comfort memory to spare,
And in my mind
I still need a place to go,
All my changes were there.

Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
Yellow moon on the rise,
Big birds flying across the sky,
Throwing shadows on our eyes.
Leave us

Helpless, helpless, helpless
Baby can you hear me now?
The chains are locked
and tied across the door,
Baby, sing with me somehow.

Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
Yellow moon on the rise,
Big birds flying across the sky,
Throwing shadows on our eyes.
Leave us

Helpless, helpless, helpless.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Jan 5, 2010 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

spot on! and with that i shall end my day brother tell.

ian


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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 5, 2010 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A simple question about fruit...

more lies from "masons owner", who doesn't post under other names...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 4, 2010 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Hey SD--really enjoyed scrolling thru that, and if I may say so, you handled yourself exceptionally well. I noted that the profanity laced tirade started without nary a hint of a nasty word on your part. And, I even found my insertions with respect to the book on Verdun I was reading at the time! Jeezzz, can't believe it's that long ago now.

Anyway, those threads remind me of how many "right thinking" (non-directional, non-political sense) folks that I am proud to know populate the Forum.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 4, 2010 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Skydawg:
"And BTW, posting someones name and street address here (before he later modified it) is fucked up!"

I AGREE! If Koch did that, he is now official SHIT in my book.Period. Moreover, I hope I can delete my rather unused account at the LSP.
(I did agree with his political views though)

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Poster: kochman Date: Jan 3, 2010 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

GoP... not sure why you decided to attack me, I certainly have never wronged you...

you did get one thing right though; places like LSP, other forums than here, do exist precisely because of the crap that goes on here daily...

don't need a weatherman to figure that out

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 3, 2010 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kochman, can you seriously just lay off?

Back so soon?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 3, 2010 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Kochman, can you seriously just lay off?

must be the LSP syndrome!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 3, 2010 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Er, uh...no, Hook, the only one I know, certainly does not exist for this reason. It in fact was started long before the shit hit the fan here, and amazingly, withstood the Full Scale Hostile Takeover of most LMA types, and keeps right on rolling along (well, okay, it was a weak-knee'd attempt at getting to know some nice looking gals on our part...). Virtually all the regulars hereabouts posted there on and off, save Rob (no pun intended, Scotty), so that one isn't in the mix you refer to. But, did you really intend to admit your site exists solely because of us cranky Forumites? That's sadder than I imagined. You have got to be better than this.

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Poster: Grateful Rat Date: Dec 31, 2009 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

FYI for both you and CLIFF.. Get a grip

How to lose an argument onlinefrom Seth's Blog by Seth Godin100+ people liked this
Have an argument. Once you start an argument, not a discussion, you've already lost. Think about it: have you ever changed your mind because someone online started yelling at you? They might get you to shut up, but it's unlikely they've actually changed your opinion.
Forget the pitfalls of Godwin's law. Any time you mention Hitler or even Communist China or Bill O'Reilly, you've lost.
Use faulty analogies. If someone is trying to make a point about, say, health care, try to make an analogy to something conceptually unrelated, like the space shuttle program, and you've lost.
Question motives. The best way to get someone annoyed and then have them ignore you is to bypass any thoughtful discussion of facts and instead question what's in it for the person on the other end. Make assumptions about their motivations and lose their respect.
Act anonymously. What are the chances that heckled comments from the bleachers will have an impact?
Threaten to take action in another venue. Insist that this will come back to haunt the other person. Guarantee you will spread the word or stop purchasing.
Bring up the slippery slope. Actually, the slope isn't that slippery. People don't end up marrying dogs, becoming cannibals or harvesting organs because of changes in organization, technology or law.
Go to the edges. This is a variant of the slippery slope, in which you bring up extremes at either end of whatever spectrum is being discussed.
So, what works?

Earn a reputation. Have a conversation. Ask questions. Describe possible outcomes of a point of view. Make connections. Give the other person the benefit of the doubt. Align objectives then describe a better outcome. Show up. Smile.


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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 1, 2010 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

I don't know who you are or what lsp is, but I've been friends with Cliff here for years and he's always been an up & up person with me.

If this is how you start your New Year, I will only hope it improves from here!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 31, 2009 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: My dog is better than your dog....

Sheesh.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 1, 2010 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My dog is better than your dog....

Oh yeah! My dog now is a cat!!! But he wears tags and sounds like a dog...

:)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 31, 2009 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Oh, God, can we just get over this? Please...

...there are so many actually relevant things to discuss here. If someone happens to be pissing you off, regardless of the reason, just ignore it and move on. This constand bickering is really just getting plain silly and makes both of you look rather sad. Right or wrong, it comes down to one simple question: who the f**k cares? Its a goddamn internet chat room, not a hearing comittee for vetting the next Supreme Court Justice.
Well, I'm guessing this plea will just fall on deaf ears. So resume this pointless exchange of seeing who can dish out the best put down and I'll try to practice what I preach and just ignore it.
OK, just had to get that off my chest. Perhaps the Playin' frm the Parc des Expositions on 1974-09-18 will get my mind off things.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 31, 2009 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh, God, can we just get over this? Please...

Yep; ignore, OR, hijack...every thread turned back to the DEAD is one small deed for Forum Kind, one bitsy bit of Karma to come back and insulate you from the cold of etherspace where it's just you and your connection.

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jan 1, 2010 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Oh, God, can we just get over this? Please...

I could use a connection here... They have really tightened up on the medical Marijuana 'scripts...

;)

Happy New Year my AZ Brothers! And all the rest of you too!

How's that for a hijack?

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 1, 2010 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cliff Hucker, can you seriously just lay off?

Why!!! OH WHY???

(my best Nancy Kerrigan)

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